MAKE an account means A NEW ONE
If already have an account it will log in just fine
MAKE an account means A NEW ONE
If already have an account it will log in just fine
There is a problem: Like I donât want to disclose my presence on the network unless I want to, I also donât want to know about other usersâ accounts. Privacy when others or I need it. Means to connect if needed.
I didnât specifically this broadcast feature in Telegram.
However, Quicksy says:
Other Quicksy users in your phoneâs contact list will be recognized by the app
Please advise.
yes, Quicksy is thought out to mimic Whatsapp, Telegram and the rest so it is Easy
now, not sure if other apps allow you, BUT, Quicksy allows you to REJECT the Contacts permission, so you wonât see which other contact has Quicksy installed
yet, since it needs to be EASY, people that have you in their contacts list, will see that YOU use Quicksy
If you want to control who can know you have an account, use Conversations instead and only share your ID with the people you want.
(Since XMPP is federated, you can contact Quicksy users by their +XXXXXXXXX@quicksy.im XMPP address and they can contact you if you tell them your XMPP address)
Thank you for discussing with and informing me the pros and cons of privacy in jabber.
You wrote about conversation, but conversation.tm has the following note:
Collective | JoinJabber
Collective
Here you can find some recommended Jabber/XMPP service providers that offer to host an XMPP server for collective use by a group or organization
and
⌠Conversations.im is the commercial offer by the developer of the Conversations App âŚ
Commercial? Without my testing the services of the app?
I am uneasy.
The app costs money on Google Play, thatâs why itâs called commercial, I guess. Also they can host the service for you, say if you want rajiban@bestserverever.com
and you know nothing about self-hosting.
Making an account on conversations.im
has been free for years
There are plenty of other servers to choose from in that link, in https://providers.xmpp.net/ and in Server overview ¡ XMPP Compliance Tester
Ok. Good to know.
But does the usage of the service cost money?
I truly donât know about self-hosting. Why would I need the hosting service separately? Isnât installing the app and its usage for messaging supposed to be simple?
account = service, so noâŚ
because you want to control you data, because you donât want âothersâ to decide who you can talk to, etc
what does simple even mean? why are you here exactly since you could install Facebook from Google Play and talk?
letâs hope they stay the same, and future leaders donât decide to peruse past conversations to punish future crimesâŚ
Didnât get your POV. The point that you indicate.
Since Google Play already offers you want you wantâŚ
Yes, in jurisprudence it is said that rules canât be applied retrospectively in reasonable societies for the era when they didnât exist.
future leaders, future laws, their laws
also your past actions might indicate future actions
hope for the best, prepare for the worst
Yes, but at the cost of collecting information about my browsing habits and other tracking information to suit its adverts for me. I donât appreciate this.
ah,right, and many donât appreciate having Facebook (in Whatsapp), Telegram, Signal, etc collecting information on them⌠so they self-host their XMPP/Matrix/servers
Yes, this part I understand. But we as a collaborative group also find ways to raise money to collectively fund such self-hosting services.
So in the end: is this self-hosting service expensive?
Till date I have not paid anything, except myself and my habits being tracked. I donât have leaky habits. So I didnât care.
Yes, just one one-time paid app: Text Aloud TTS by Andrew Kochaniak.
many run their XMPP servers on simple Raspberry Pi devices, but knowledge is needed (or defer to conversations.im to host for you)
yes, buying a domain costs, see online registrars, some are cheaper than other
That means I wonât require conversation.im servers if I self-hosted XMPP server on my laptop?
Yes, this part I am aware of. But I didnât link my using XMPP service to this aspect.
Ok then. I will find out ways to self-host an XMPP server from my system. If it is feasible at all.
But there is a catch: my laptop canât be switched on all the time. So is there a temporary dump available when my laptop is down? XMPP in my case hits a temporary roadblock.
You can use the Conversations app with your server, yes
there always is, you gotta find the right balance between all these options
good luck!
Some email providers also provide XMPP account registration. Check to see if yours does.
Thank you, Mr. Cue, for your suggestion. I donât use an email client. I use web-browser on my laptop to access emails. So I wonât like to complicate things so that I am compelled to manage more multiple apps than my time permits me.
In the meanwhile I have installed the conversations
app, created an account with a user@domain
name with one xmpp service provider and solved certain aspects, like accessing the conversations account from my laptopâs web-browser with kind support from the support service.
So I am all set.
But thank you for trying to provide support, Mr. Cue. Much appreciated.