Privacy On Phone

We still can limit what or how we share and using technologies. For example, I use my cellphone for just texting and using some apps through F-Droid like maps, browsers, etc but never use my phone for banking, logging into online shopping or any other accounts.

I have faraday bags that I can put my phone in if I’m going to places where I don’t want to be tracked like how some retail stores would use customers’ cellphones for locating, pinging, and triangulating. Even people with cellphones just happened to be in the area but not inside shopping at places like malls, they’re still being tracked. I never give away my cellphone numbers to any stores asking for it and I always use cash. As for cameras, if most people start using reflectacles glasses then it may hurt facial recognition industries.

Big tech companies do not listen to customers’ privacy concerns nor respect their boundaries, it’s like they’re being passive aggressive. When someone brings up “nothing to hide”, it reminds me of a senior guy in high school trying to put his hand between legs of a 7th grader girl but she pushed his hand away. Its her rights to tell him no, don’t you agree? Maybe because she thinks he’s creepy (he looks like Gary Ridgeway), too old, or maybe she already has a boyfriend. Doesn’t matter whatever her reasons were, everybody still need to respect others’ boundaries regardless but instead he went across and told her “Oh what matter? Does your cunt stinks?” Same bullshit passive aggressive approach with “nothing to hide?”

The way this world is turning toward to, it better not to have any children being introduced to the population. Would you want to have children on an island that’s full of predators? Same thing. Not just big techs that are predators, other greedy corporations that depend on big tech are too.

Good afternoon:

The problem is that with the excuse of technology or even the government, they put more and more things in a computer that we carry in our pocket.

And we don’t realize that it listens to everything it wants. The assistants are always ready and attentive, always sending a pin to such a server or address. Etc etc…

Then they put things that you won’t even use. Or because it has to come with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc… for example if you do not have social networks.

Then they put the Google store and the brand of the phone.

Things you can’t uninstall, only disable.

Browsers telemetry to the max. And what to say about the web pages. Or you pull a user.js and a blocker for the browser. But because, for example Google is not interested in you using a blocker ublock origin style.

Then banks, public administrations all using the smartphone. To make a doctor’s appointment or check an account, download the application. And application that has more permissions than you know. And then there is the permission that Apple or Google has to information.

The fingerprint, if it is valid for phone security. But it is not sent to any site ¿?¿. The photos are uploaded alone to the cloud, making the excuse that it is backup, etc etc …

And then they tell you I send you my account number by WhatsApp, in short … Or if you don’t have social networks you don’t exist.

Secure and private emails. An illusion. That the camera, Bluetooth, nfc, wifi (do not activate alone) and send things without your permission another illusion. Or your phone provider’s carrier app. Who gave you permission to put it on when you put the sim on?

I use a cell phone that I removed the nfc, Bluetooth. Capped with Afwall the use of Internet and more things.

But you talk to people, and they tell you are crazy. Put on a tinfoil hat.

But then WhatsApp says it’s going to share data with Facebook. And they scream to high heaven and switch to Signal or Telegram… But WhatsApp has been owned by Facebook for a long time now…

I’ll go back to a phone of the old ones. And then I’ll be triangulated by the phone antennas.

HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023 :slight_smile:

That’s true. Not much we can do about doctor office, hospital, clinic, and insurances on how they’re sharing our datas. This is one of reasons I haven’t visited a doctor for years and I wouldn’t use my phone for any of their apps. Every establishments such as those and schools, services, banks, businesses, etc should just give up Microsoft, Apple, & Google and switch to Linux or FOSS/Floss like some places in EU are already doing it.

Other thing, we still can use foreign’s email services, search engines, social media network or software services that aren’t under US. Even there are some non-Apple/Google phones but most of them are small or shady companies, not ready for general uses. Like Pine phones still have some issues and it doesn’t look like they’ll be ready for general public anytime soon.

What strange about US is banning China phones and social media that are doing exactly same thing as US companies. Is it because China won’t share our data, even their own people, with US? If so, this could compel me to buy and use China’s products/services instead of US. Even still doing my best limiting on how I use China cellphone while having less concerns of how China handles my data. Not much China can do to US customers from other side of planet compare to being inside US where we are being hustled by US gov and companies through taxes, fees, charges, surcharges, fines, billings, tickets, metering, etc pushing us into debt.

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Good afternoon @Silvershade

The problem that not everything goes to the US. Everything is manufactured in China, Korea.

Apple, Samsung, Huawei, etc…

Then some time ago there were things to block from qualcomm. Not to say all the telemetry that Huawei has and more now it doesn’t have Google stuff. Not to say Xiaomi or Samsung. And Apple is not spared …

Also remember the Pegasus attack recently.

Besides everything is on the net. So much data that we have in companies, with the administration and who uses social networks or messaging services. Everything is there, and that is why there are more and more scams, data theft, and other attacks. To have our data and impersonate, or directly steal.

In Europe the president of the EU recently said that everything will be through the network and 5g. And no cash, digital euro. So what for, more control.

Whoever controls the network and the devices we carry with us … And even more people put smart watches and other things…

If not look at how some people use Apple locators or other companies. They use them to steal cars or other things.

Even today I remember a news that said: check thanks to Google and Google Maps if you ever coincided with your wife or husband, before you meet him or her …

We are going to a world where we are numbers and controlled to the max. And with no privacy at all.

But just think that now we are going to unlimited data rates. Because, if piracy is punishable …

But nothing is spared. Neither laptops, desktops, cars (Android Auto or Apple Car), etc. etc…

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I’ve heard some of Pegasus attack. Was that related to zero day vulnerability because of how US phones were by desgined or built for the same purpose, tracking everybody, in secrets but discovered by foreign entities as they retool this exploit to their benefits? Brax mentioned something about US phones having no defenses against this exploit which explains Apple’s lock down “feature” for phones to basically shut down everything indefinitely only after the word of this exploit has broke into public. So if US phone companies had respect everybody’s privacy on every phones they’ve built then this exploit likely wouldn’t have happened.

Most of us could tell a lot about what kind of authors they are by reading their writings, but not many people could do the same about developers by reading their algorithms. So in tech world for general users is to trust blindly or awarely. Even nowadays video games have algorithms that most people cannot read but we still could recongize how the games are designed to keep players engaged without knowing there’s a cliff up ahead like what happening to Facebook.

A possibly key is to spread knowledge seeds to get more people waking up to what kind of technologies they’re using that are harmful to their future and privacy. Like tobacco companies had gone great length for many decades of influcening people to buy, use, or consume whatever that are harmful to their healths. So why can’t tech companies do the same while everybody are still sheep enough to follow and accept their algorithms blindly. So when will the congress start doing the same against tech companies like they did against tobacco companies, another 100 years maybe?

Harmony OS vs Google, China has more people using China phones than Apple & Samsung combined. Apple used to be grow popularly in China but that has changed as most of Chineses nowadays don’t care for Samsung or Apple, even many of them aren’t familar about them. Harmony and China phones are massive surveillance tools, so Google and Apple are trying to catch up into that same direction. Korea’s Samsung bows to what Google wants into Samsung phones for Americas. China’s mindless Apple factory workers don’t care about privacy for Americans, they would do anything for a small amount of money and they probably have zero idea of what privacy is or why due to China’s brainwashing system.

When people buy any devices that’s “smart” is by their own admissions that they’re dumb. If more people realize that then hopefully they’ll start buying “dumb” devices. Such as to rather buy sceptre dumb tv over other smart tv brands, then finally the money would be speaking more sensibly. What brings warmth to my heart is those big tech companies are now in world of hurting. Their stocks going down due to inflation maybe, but I’m hoping that’s from more people waking up as the results.

Good afternoon @Silvershade

The problem is with apologies for what I am about to say. But people are or lead us like sheep.

They go us creating needs that many times or in the majority are things that already existed.

I explain, a robot vacuum cleaner. You have a normal vacuum cleaner. But with the theme of comfort or that you can control it from your cell phone…

Domotize (turn the lights on and off by themselves, raise the blinds, etc …). Anything goes controlled from the mobile with Google or Alexa.

A cell phone. They break down so fast that a new Apple has to be released a few months later. Or an Android. You used to take out the battery and put in a new one. Now they only improve the cameras and little else. And people buy…

The tv, you need a smartv with curved screen, 8k or 4k resolution. If our eyes do not notice so much resolution.

But it’s the same as having Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, etc… I do not know about you. But I hardly have time to watch tv. Besides I don’t even watch it because it lies more than it says truths. And everything is bought and directed (I do not know if you understand me?)

It is the same as you have a car and now it is no longer worth. It has to be electric, read traffic signs, or take Tesla, Android Auto or Apple. This way they already tell you that you have to go this way if or yes. You stop so long in such and such a place, so long in such and such a place. And so you are controlled…

Here an electric car is expensive, no, more than expensive. And as they do not sell they will force us to put a switchboard in the cars to have us located. Between a luminous signal with geolocation

The problem is that everything goes up. And salaries don’t. The shopping basket goes up, telephony goes up, everyday life goes up.

Either you eat or you keep up. And with it you lose privacy and you lose the ability to be yourself and not just a number.

But between laws that prohibit you to be and to do, and so on. And between what is better for us, privacy and security are over.

For example windows 10 already had telemetry to the max. Well now if you want the 11 has to meet x things that Microsoft wants. Otherwise there are scripts and so on. But who knows…

They tell you that your phone does not support WhatsApp, because the system is obsolete. Solution buy a new one. They do not explain you look if you put Lineageos and you have the new Android and give more life and use.

It is necessary to carry huge screens in cars … Because some screens are bigger than digital tablets.

But it is not only in the USA. Look at China how they control the population. The rest of the world is not going to be less…

And a long etc and etc.

And we deviate from the topic of the thread hahaha.

But in conclusion: privacy, freedom is over in cell phones and the rest is going to end.

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Those are called patterns and FBI often use patterns to solve crimes. It’s a lot eaiser for us to notice creepy patterns being made by big tech today than it was 10 years ago. If we can notice it then so do the others depending on how thick or thin their skulls are, indeed.

The people behind pushing for those patterns are probably psychopaths or do have dark traits. Psychopath is born, sociopath is made, ignorance is a choice, a vicious cycle within void of humanity. Here’s article on top 10 professions that attract psychopaths,

That article is old but it gives us an idea how big tech have reached to where they are today. Not just those top 10, even there many psychopaths or people with dark traits working at other profession types or jobs. For example, how many auto mechanics have lied to customers about their vehicles to have them spend more money on parts & labors they don’t need and get away with it? How many dentists have lied to patients about their teeth to have them spend more money on fillings they don’t need and get away with it? How many veterinarians have lied to customers by overcharging and adding unnecessary medicial practices on their pets and get away with it? Most people would be surprise. The only ones who get caught tend to exceed over an average. So in general, most of them are tiptoeing around the law and regulations in attempts to make it more difficult for others to sue them, (elderly people often are their vicitims). Like it’d be felony for a theft to steal over $700 in value but below would be a misdemeanor.

Big tech can get away with millions or billions of dollars unless they exceed an average like Sam Friedback of FTX cryptocurrencies and Berine Madoff then they’re toasted. Then we have internet providers increasing our billing costs every years to no end. Dumb system we have in America. If we have drugs and background screenings before hiring then why not psychology screening too for every jobs and degrees but it would also have to depend on who doing the hiring and passing. Psychopaths or people with dark traits would want to hire or nuture similar types to their own. Even China has their own brainwashing system, so do America and both are so polarized.

Cheating on customers is not necessarily a feature of a psychopath.

“Even” China?! Lol. China is the champion of brainwashing.

China is a champion on control for their brainwashing system. US is a champion in pushing beliefs for their brainwashing system. China has PLA that can surpass whatever religious groups, US evangelists have plenty of religious fanatics doing their dirty works that can topple our democracy into authoritarian but China is already far ahead in absolute governing.

Religions are based on beliefs which is same as based on a lie for control and financial support. UK isn’t so different from US but smaller and more vulnerable nation. Google and Facebook analytical were used as tools to make Brexit successful due to population using their services as lemmings listening to Pied Pier playing the flute. Brexit was Russia’s original idea, all they did was planting the seeds, thanks to greedy religious fanatics doing their dirty works. First they trickle in, then they assimilate, finally they ravage.

‘Religions are based on beliefs which is same as based on a lie for control and financial support’

Beliefs and lies are different things. Also, by singling out US evangelicals, the only thing you are doing is exposing your political bias.

Someone, who’d use your partisan logic, could say the same about an organized religion of Climate Change, formerly known as Global Warming, formerly known as Global Cooling. :slight_smile:

Evangelicals are already biased against people’s personal, even necessary, choices anyway and you’re telling me no one should be biased back at them? lol. Basically every wars in history are connected with religions since dawn of man. For many people on path of religions is easier and lazy than trying to learn and understand scientific knowledge which is too painful. Similar to lazy parents telling children to behave or no presents from Santa Claus. For every evangelicals, it’s Children’s Crusade all over again.

I personally don’t care for people believing in God but following religions like how cellphone users are following Google and Apple is other thing. Choosing religious due to being desperate is just as pitiful making themselves easy targets. I’d rather they would be more aware and think best for themselves instead of following.

Climate changes on Earth have been going on for billions of years. There have been snowball Earth, anoxic events, oceanic overturns, geomagnetic reversals, even like plate tectonics that change the shapes of landmasses long before humans. Even Earth had heartbeats every 25 millions years due to periodic passage through the galaxy’s disk. Universe is a dynamic place.

But if you’re talking about man-made climate change, well take ozone layer for example, many nations banned specific chemicals that were depleting ozone layer some decades ago, now ozone layer is slowly on way to recovery. But humans are still affecting the climate through mining, farming, factories, buildings, encroaching, etc. Ocean is warming up which causing acidify to many oceanic lifeforms and devastating fishing industries. Climate isn’t stable as it used to be. I am not going to list millions of things on how humans are affecting Earth here. But how hard is it to understand that Earth is only viable host for humans and other lifeforms in our solar system? Unlike virus or flesh eating bacteria that’s killing humans still can jump onto others and continue to survive as nature has its ways to correct the situations such as culling the herds. Would it be preaching the choir to tell cancerous cells, virus, or bacteria to stop encroaching onto last human and explain the reasons? Not much I can do about future when things get bad, all I can say to 8 billions people, well you wanted this.

I am enjoying the twists and turns this thread is taking.
Just a comment, nothing more. :slight_smile:

This little partisan presentation of yours is wholly irrelevant here, and you brought it upon yourself and others unprovoked. I never said I supported or didn’t support Evangelicals and of course, I wasn’t talking about Climate Change as a natural process, but rather the religion of Climate Change formerly known as Global warming, formerly known as Global cooling. I was just highlighting your bias.

Again, I must repeat that lies and beliefs are not the same and you don’t need to bring your political biases to this forum.

I can easily say I’m guilty of being biased against evangelicals. Aren’t we all biased in our own ways? I considered CEOs of Apple & Google as modern day evangelicals so we migrated to F-Droid. Politics and religions shouldn’t be mixing. What happened to church and state shall be separated? Religions and big tech aren’t being regulated and taxed therefore it should be making more people to wonder.

Big techs are being regulated and taxed.

Why do you consider Apple and Google evangelicals? Someone, who is on the opposite side of politics could say both are left wing fascists. That is fruitless and doesn’t say anything, other than expose your political bias.

Oh please. Big tech pays very little to no taxes or using tax loopholes while taxes are increasingly burden for small businesses and middle to lower classes.

I’m not against policy-making if they sound reasonable. Policy in China is too extreme. US federal policy is too wild west (at least for time being). Policy in red states is leaning toward Taliban’s. Policy in blue states is a mix of too fast, too little, too late. Policy in Middle East is insane. Policy in Russia is a pervert. Policy in UK is about similar to US federal. Policy in EU is closer to middle ground but some EU countries sound ok depending on areas.

Did I mentioned CEOs of said companies? Because they are ones that made those narcissistic decisions,

I preferred Android over Apple for flexibly like ability to switch over to F-Droid.

“Policy in red states is leaning toward Taliban’s.”

If you can say this with a straight face, then the following could be said about polcies in Blue States:

Corruption intertwined with Communist type dictatorship, militant intolerance, notorious racism, virtue signaling and group think.

So, cut out this partisan BS ans stick to the topic of discussion.

If you don’t understand the biases against evangelicals then I cannot help you due to your choices or conditions. But I won’t go between Jim Jones’ followers and their cups of spiked kool aid. They could have turned out much worse if their plan were interrupted.

Neither myself nor this thread need yours or anyone else’s help, biases or any input on politics. There are plenty of other sites where those could be presented. This is a forum about Android and smart phones with no place for politics and ideologies.

Yes, better keep it on topic :slight_smile: