Opinion of the uproar with Mozilla?

Good afternoon:

I wanted to ask you, if I may, your opinion about all the fuss that is going on with Mozilla and if it will affect the project and privacy and security.

I’m referring to things like: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1j03omv/mozilla_changed_their_tos/ , https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/02/mozilla-introducing-terms-of-use-to-firefox , Tos copy updates (fix #16016) (#16018) · mozilla/bedrock@d459add · GitHub , Tos copy updates (fix #16016) (#16018) · mozilla/bedrock@d459add · GitHub , #2252 - Prepared to fork Firefox? - librewolf/issues - Codeberg.org

Best regards

This comes at the same time as you are removing language from the FAQ about selling personal data. (Old string expires 25-04-2025, so this is coming in 2 months apparently.)

‎bedrock/firefox/templates/firefox/faq.html
Old:
Yep! The { -brand-name-firefox-browser } is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.
New:
Yep! The { -brand-name-firefox-browser } is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.
It definitely feels like a rug pull.

You missed these.
I am concerned about LibreWolf. Waterfox I never liked nor trusted anyways. But LW. I hope it does not take a U turn like FF.

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Good morning @vdbhb59

Thank you for your answer. But the question is, do we all understand the same thing?. Since I understand that if they are going to sell the data and use it as they want. And also by putting AI, they will do like Google, Apple and other companies. Teach it with us and our data. And the big companies that want us to use Chromium: Google, Microsoft y Meta unen fuerzas con la Fundación Linux: los navegadores de código abierto ahora cuentan con más financiación , Fundación Linux administrará una parte de Chromium | Atomix , Google se asocia con Fundación Linux para financiar el desarrollo abierto y mejorar el ecosistema Chromium

And of course the rest of browsers are in the way for what they want: to have us controlled, monitored, tracked, etc. .

And then there are the new EU rules, and governments. Or the same thing that happens to Fdroid, that the EU wants to identify us to download applications by age. Or what happens in France: Francia está a punto de aprobar la peor ley de vigilancia de la UE. ¡Debemos detenerlos ya! | Tuta

The problem is also for example with everything that is a fork of Firefox. Like Fennec, Ironfox, etc… I don’t know if Icecat? is still on the desktop.

Best regards

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Not sure why and how, but new user influx since this news has gone up by almost 4-5 times today. :face_with_peeking_eye::hugs:

Which data?

Good morning:

I guess it will be all about us. And the data we put in. Or a Chrome style that even spies in incognito mode and so on. I imagine it’s a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14S6zMtfFc0&t=0 style,

but I’m more inclined to how they are going to put the AI. But it may also be that they want to remove ad blockers, ublock type. So we do not block connections, see ads, have ads, trackers, etc… Like Chrome did.

Or follow what Google wants and use cookies Google style. And do away with the old cookie system.

Or Descubren que LinkedIn ha estado entrenando su IA con datos de los usuarios sin avisar , X (Twitter) está entrenando su inteligencia artificial con lo que publicas: así puedes desactivarlo , etc…

Or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU-IF6P96H4&t=1

But if Google used to pay you and now they say they will stop charging them. And the big companies wanting us to use Chromium…

A hug

E.g. this data:

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

(according to the omgubuntu link in the OP)

and you’ve read that article that you’ve linked, yes? it does not say anything problematic, the app NEEDS to use your text to open the website, it does not say “AND UPLOAD TO OUR SERVERS”, does it?

Good evening:

And it is that the section where it boasted of not selling your information as a user, unlike its competition, is removed.

In the past, this web browser based on an open license, publicly pledged not to share user data with third parties. But now with the update, Mozilla removed a rather important sentence, which specifically stated that: “Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data”.

Firefox defends itself that the confusion is linked to the “licensing language”, where it states that they need a license “to enable some of the core features of Firefox”.

Additionally, a section of their “Firefox FAQ” that included a promise to never sell user data was completely removed. Section available if using tools such as Wayback Machine to view information on the web before it was updated.

Most interesting of all, is the imperative need to have the right over all your users’ entries in Firefox. And evidently, AI can be one of the main businesses. And Mozilla needs money. It should be remembered that Google would not pay them again for using their search engine as the default in their browser. And fund them.

These changes and the fact that they are giving money to the Linux foundation to promote and use Chromium…

Plus if you have those things in a contract (so to speak) and you remove it… But why remove it?, other than to protect yourself from something.

And I don’t want to think that they want to do like Google and prevent us from using Ublock Origin. So that we have to see advertising, trackers, not be able to block connections, or remove advertising or unnecessary things from web pages. It’s scary…

All navigators call home with the supposed telemetry. To improve performance, searches, and the browser itself. So removing that part, just to further improve the browser (According to them), doesn’t seem to me…

As they say here: if the river sounds is because it carries water.

A hug

Are these fork versions of firefox are safe? I used Mull but now it’s no more, what about ironfox or fennec?

Mull used Fennec as base and added Arkenfox.js on top

About the other forks you need to ask their devs.

F-Droid recommends Fennec for now.

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Thank you dude

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