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  1. Motorola does not care.

  2. Why would Graphene be involved with such an entity? Because Motorola suddenly got a heart?

There are so many manufacturers to choose from.

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Well, Motorola was the one that offered the partnership to GrapheneOS.

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You have insider info?

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No, but a bunch of videos were released recently containing that kind of information.

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Links pls?

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This is a notable one as it’s over 30 minutes long.

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I have not had time to jump back into this thread for quite a while, but I just had to chime in about this Motorola stuff.

The company that sells smartphones branded “Motorola” that is doing a deal with Graphene has literally no connection to the Motorola you are thinking of other than specifically their former handset business that Google bought from the original Motorola 14 years ago.

Google did that primarily to take over their patent portfolio, and then after 2 years flipped it again to Lenovo, less most of the Motorola patents Google wanted from it.

Lenovo IMHO is one of the better Chinese electronic companies in terms of ethics. They took over IBM’s PC business in 2005 and retained a large number of the ex-IBM employees in major engineering centers in the USA and Japan for many years and the management has a reputation for having what I would call a more “worldly” attitude than most of their more insular national counterparts over the years. I have happily used their laptop computers for many years.

That said, I won’t be buying one of those devices because I’m not a fan of the Graphene organization. But that’s a separate matter.

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+100 from my side

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I do honestly question why you wouldn’t want Privacy. GrapheneOS is currently the only Android fork that has nearly 100% compatibility with F-Droid.

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This sort of reminds me of people who say that Apple is not to blame for manufacturer exploitation because technically, they use a third party. Oh, Apple knows EXACTLY what is going on.

As for Lenovo…oh my. Lenovo is on boycott lists as they too deal with regimes who mass murder. As for security of their devices, look up ‘superfish’ among other things.

And this gem, “I do honestly question why you wouldn’t want Privacy.” It depends, who is giving you privacy? If Lord Vader offers it, what could possibly go wrong? Companies that deal with mass murdering regimes will not blink at nixing your privacy.

But do what you wish.

As for Graphene, I am in support of attempts to offer alternative mobile ecosystems. If they succeed or fail is another matter. I just caution who you do business with. Manufacturing is one good area to be concerned.

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You obviously know NOTHING about me, and after that ridiculous assertion I’m not going to bother wasting 2 milliseconds of my time setting you straight on that.

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Lenovo is the largest manufacturer of PC’s in the world and one of the largest electronic manufacturers in the world.

You will not find any company of that size in that industry that passes your “purity test”, I’m sorry to say. The entire electronics industry is “dirty”.

But I’m not here to promote Lenovo. I’m just correcting your uninformed assumptions that this “Motorola” is an old American company that was founded in the 1920s and which has been involved in a variety of communications segments of various industries, from consumer products to industrial products, automobile products, law enforcement and extensive military work.

No, THIS Motorola is simply an exercise in brand-engineering by a company that wishes to benefit from its “name recognition”, a company subunit that has existed for no more than 12 years. Very common for Chinese companies over the last 20 years or so who have paid for the privilege of adopting the brand moniker of a once-respected, now failed US consumer products company.

Re: Graphene: I just refuse to do business with organizations run by toxic madmen and all the behaviour that follows from that. Daniel Micay is one of the most toxic people in the android FOSS world.

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@Sapiosenses

Your argument appears to be:

-The manufacturer is large, therefore they are excused.

-There are no other options.

-Motorola is old.

-Lots of companies make money off of harming people (or the environment) therefore, it is okay.

The first two points do not hold up. Other manufacturers with less blood do exist and are worth looking up.

Next argument, Motorola is old, so it is okay. Motorola is old and so is IBM. Are you aware that IBM’s business model included facilitating the Jewish holocaust? While engaged in such behaviour, I would avoid doing business. Other companies make business from other holocausts, I would avoid them too. Doing some research is not hard.

But I wish some of this business model on you and your family long enough for you to understand how wilfully callous you come off.

That you use F-Droid at all indicates you did research options. Other options besides companies that facilitate crimes exist, you need to do the same level of research to find them.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong, pathetically wrong.

You and Arceus seem to practice the same style: get challenged on something, deflect, high-handed, move the goalposts, ad hominem, continue on as before. Actually I can put up with his style more readily.

But not wasting any more time with either of you. I think this OT room suits you both well. Blather on endlessly into the void. Good night.

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@Sapiosenses Brilliantly argued. You are so smart.