Agreed. It’s almost like this (and my suggestion) are too ‘neutral’ - it’s not controversial enough I guess 
@vdbhb59, did the internal discussions come to any conclusion (apart from the git revert)?
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I really hope this controversy gets resolved quickly since it will only prove to be harmful to F-Droid and the Android FOSS community as a whole if it continues.
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This shouldn’t need an “internal discussion” to “try to resolve” anything, the fact that it was enacted in the first place is categorically absurd. It needs to be fully reverted forthwith.
And no, the issue is not just with the wording of the NSFW definition. However you word NSFW and whereever you draw the line for being in that category, reader apps for historical religious texts don’t fall anywhere even remotely close to the same category. Long before you got Bibles into a hidden by default category for the safety of children you should be applying that to Wikipedia and all web browsers and all ebook readers and many more. If you aren’t removing Wikipedia from the default view of apps then the likes of AndBible shouldn’t be either.
If you want to have a tagging system that categorizes religious readers, readers that can load external content, anything with web access, etc. as categories people can filter on that’s one thing, but targeting religious texts for removal (hiding is search by default is first, then per another GitLab thread eventual removal of all nsfw apps) is outrageous.
This shouldn’t take days to resolve. Revert now, plan your future labeling changes later.
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I’ve seen quite a bit of arguments about Reddit or Mastodon, or web browsers/ebook readers/etc., that those apps may contain violent or sexual content and as such must also be tagged with NSFW/any new antifeature which gets created.
The big difference to me is that they may show such content, which is user-created or user-seeked and most of them offer a way to filter, while the apps I think should be tagged are the ones that do contain violence by default (not user-created/imported/searched for) and where it can’t be avoided/filtered out easily.
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That shooter app or wikipedia?
Everybody seems to flag it quickly, it’s human nature to try to match everything to a known pattern. Even if not true…
This is how their internal discussions look like:
No response, no nothing. Out of the 3 CoC violations ever reported, see how unprofessionally they responded. I’m glad that their internal processes are getting exposed in the process.
Similar complaints on X: https://x.com/Anotheruser1508/status/1980419627554640329
Is the org run on vibes and arbitrary decisions? @seabass @marcprux @vdbhb59
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Please stop making things being shown in wrong way. I commented on that ticket and explained. Everything is in open and we at F-Droid are not hiding anything. Please follow your own words before raising fingers at others. What is being exposed? There is nothing going on that you can expose. Stop flaming and framing unnecessarily. Everyone is here to be a part and do for the community. Some do not understand, others do. Calling people bad words in public does not resolve issues.
Ticket wise: cross checked, not sure what I did, but it got closed. I am unable to reopen from mobile, and have asked if someone from the team can.
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You know the kafkaesque nightmare that most big company support will put you through, creating doubts if any actualy humans work there? If you ever wondered why, this thread is an excellent explanation.
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https://xcancel.com/LundukeJournal/status/1980393325304930636#m
He didn’t even bother to tell us he posted something, now makes it sound like “he was the reason why”? Lol
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On the one hand, many people are unaware that any movie adaptation of the Bible which was truly faithful both to the letter and spirit of the source material (so, definitely not produced by Netflix or Amazon or Disney) could never avoid having a hard “R” rating, because real life is rated “R". That’s the kernel of truth lurking within this vile inversion of all that is true, good and beautiful.
But the Bible is obviously foundational to the Western canon and accessing it is necessary for anyone to count as literate on a basic level, in a way that Captain Underpants is not. Pretending that this isn’t the case or that you don’t know this is in fact the case is fundamentally dishonest and any argument for marking the Bible as NSFW is being made in bad faith. Obviously, everyone of all ages needs to be able to access the Bible, while no one ever actually needs to access ■■■■. Pretending that these are somehow the same is dishonest in the extreme.
This argument is backwards. It is far easier to load, faster to find, and more likely to stumble on actually objectionable content in the Wikipedia app, any Reddit client, or any web browser than in a Bible reading app. Sure you may want to tag those other apps, but until that is done first it’s absurd to apply a tag that doesn’t get applied to sources of actual pornographic and violent content to content that clearly denounces such content and only has some historical records of violence, not graphic representations or glorification of it.
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On reddit etc at least there is NSFW category which in theory should help, on wikipedia violent content is available right away, unless they introduce some ‘kiddie setting’ and hide half of pages about serial killers etc
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I looked at the list of NSFW Apps, installed the first 20 of those not Bible/Quran related and tried hard to find content that could be NSFW. Pretty bored after a while. Or maybe someone very religious would find something there that occurs completely innocent to the average user but may be offending some religion?
Nearly all of the apps do nothing more than access various Internet sources that probably also have NSFW content if you search hard enough.
So.. if the Bible and Quran App developers think they are in bad company just because of the label, they are not.
Someone please point me to the F-Droid App that really badly deserves the NSFW tag. Sex, violence, pornography at my fingertips please.. and not just an app that provides access to external content where I may occasionally find something remotely offensive if I search very hard.
Is anyone seriously wondering why not every single Web browser was tagged NSFW? One simple search and the offensive content is there.
Bible/Quran reading apps provide access to well known extensively studied content. Parts of it are indeed NSFW. Why don’t those reading apps by themselves tag offensive parts and offer a safe for work and small children version? F-Droid can’t do that kind of fine grained parental control.
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This seems disingenous, open any wikipedia app and navigate to any serial killer page and you’ll get much more gory details than in any passages in religious texts, hell even SFW subreddits will have this like ‘news’ or any 'regional’news, don’t even need to go into comments (that do get moderated in some subs pretty actively, in others questionable content can linger for weeks), and of course the atheism subreddit quotes bible all the time weirdly enough, so reddit deserves the ban automatically just like bible, probably also all atheism-related apps, maybe the spaghetti monster bible can stay, but don’t quote me on thay
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The shooter app and there’s another game that says 18+ in the name (I forgot what it’s called but another user mentioned it)
That one KSRE has no spicy content by default, iirc
A short update and a few points to consider:
- The merge request which caused religious texts apps to be labelled NSFW has been reversed.
- F-Droid is actively reviewing the NSFW tag and inclusion policies.
- The Code of Conduct violation report has been acknowledged and is being reviewed internally.
The best we can do now is try to reflect, improve and move forward. I would ask people to keep the conversation constructive so we can keep promoting great, safe FOSS apps.
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Thanks for the update. As some general feedback I suggest:
- Reinforcing the principles of the code of conduct internally to ensure a professional setting. The purpose of the code of conduct is to create a welcoming and inclusive environment for all contributors, regardless of their personal beliefs. To troll and mock, then proceed to gaslight a certain user who pulled a very well known app is simply not professional. Adopt from here if necessary: Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct — The Linux Kernel documentation
- Discourage whataboutism internally and let contributors take responsibility for their actions. In a previous code of conduct report, the team “uno-reversed“ the report onto the reporter because of their offensive username. If both sides are wrong, then both sides should be held accountable.
- The board should not be afraid to take drastic actions against long term contributors include its own members. The collective reputation of this project is bigger than any individual. Heads have rolled in the Linux Kernel and other places for lesser offenses.
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Dear f-droid,
I am the author of the Bible Feed app and original poster of this thread.
It has come to my attention, through the recent journalism of The Lunduke Journal, that your f-droid logo has been showing overlayed on top of the pride/trans flag on the X platform.
I was under the impression f-droid was funded by volunteers and politically neutral, so I will be very grateful if you could confirm the following for me, as I do not have an X (twitter) account:
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is the Lunduke Journal reporting the truth i.e. has the f-droid logo ever been shown overlayed on top of the pride/trans flag on your official X/twitter channel?
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if the answer is yes, do you intend to continue your policy of promoting pride/trans?
Thank you,
Andrew.
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I was surprised by that as well, I never realized that F-Droid was involved in politics not concerning FOSS…
It also puts the current situation in another light as the two are at odds 
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