You do not need a computer or a USB ADB link of any kind to install and enable Shizuku on a non-rooted device.
It provides apps access to the ADB API via the WiFi debugging function in ROM settings/Developer options. Nor does an end user need to know anything about how to use ADB. After Shizuku is launched the wireless debugging can be disabled again. Quite clever actually.
It really depends on where you are.
I live basically at âground zeroâ about a 30-40 minute drive from Google HQ. Neither of my banking apps (one a mega-corp bank, one a small fin institution) care about any of my modded, BL-unlocked, custom-ROM/ rooted/unrooted devices without any Google Apps or GMS on them. (microG on most of them)
Whereas in places like India, good luck. From what I gather, if you look at your phone over there at the wrong angle the financial apps refuse to run. 
That said, the stuff going on with PlayIntegrity and this latest proposal are serious problems for sure.
Yea exacly⌠the only solution its ridiculus but have 2 diferent phones for 2 diferent tasks..
Same as i have now Windowx and Whonix⌠but when i buy new pc i will try drop down windows totaly for some linux distro meaby nobara because i like red hat company. and used fedora in past.
Making matters worse, I even discovered that LocalNow, if installed from Aurora Store (Easily obtained through F-Droid), tries to FORCE you to download it from Google Play Store, and with this Age Verification crap getting worse, it looks like itâs infeasible to use Google at all.
It may even begin affecting F-Droid applications by disabling them, even if they were installed beforehand, which is really alarming! I think itâs time we finally sound the alarms, because Google is seriously beginning to clamp down big time, by getting users to not only steer clear from F-Droid & Aurora Store, but also forcing them to surrender their sensitive information as well. We need a way to break Google Services somehowâŚIf there was a way to remove the âGet this app from Google Playâ message and use the application anyway and even break the Google Age Verification system somehow, we could have unrestricted capabilities on Android devices. We even have to consider that Android devices are already compromised due to an application that is forced into it that enables Client-Side Scanning, and that poses an even worse risk since we cannot disable anything about it! A constant privacy risk that even GrapheneOS canât take out!
You already have an idea for a custom Android ROM, so if itâs a degoogled ROM, then tech-savvy users will be able to avoid all this since it wouldnât have Google Play Services installed. But for the less technically savvy users, we will probably just have to keep fighting back against these changes (what weâre already doing, but a lot harder to ignore).
I donât know if this is even possible, but if someone can find a way to spoof Aurora Store to make it look like Google Play on Arceus AOS (if Aurora Store would be included), then we could potentially avoid that issue as well. Again, I donât know if that would be possible or how it would be implemented since the ROM is your idea.
Yeah, but like others said: Google is trying to stop that avenue of circumvention. So we need a secondary solution in conjunction with the custom ROM (Arceus AOS).
Isnât this topic about fighting Developer Verification (And now Age Verification laws, including the threat of Client-Side Scanning)?
Each with their agenda, as always 
As many have already been saying: Our Privacy is of utmost importance.
I propose a common goal: âbuild the Arkâ per say.
I was going thru the phones supported by lineageOS, among them is the Moto g 5g 2024
the point, some of you might be able to afford a $400+ phone that you can degoogle. But that is not the case for the masses. We have to cater to the masses. From personal experience that phone is decent for the price which is under $50. I mean its not like we are going to do high end gaming or VR stuff with FOSS.
What I am saying is support a phone like that one and call it the ark. Most of us can afford $50 for a side phone to support it until the software gets good and mature to use as a daily driver.
I am not saying do anything different, keep the F-droid client the way it is. Everything takes care of itself. All we do is get the word out about possible viable solutions. I find a phone like that one as a good lifeboat to get thru the storm.
Kind of like the Arceus AOS plan, but the big problem persists here: Can GrapheneOS or LineageOS remove the Client-Side Scanning problem that recently was surfaced on YouTube?
rivals of our rivals are our allies.
How does developer verification affect Android Subsystems like say the one in Windows? Operating Systems that can run Android apps thru a subsystem. Will they comply with Google dev verification? Same with FireOS. How are these guys looking at what Google is doing.
I see three routes.
Yeah, but, considering how tech companies yearn to take away all of our rights, it seems the option where they share the information seems most beneficial to them all. But that hurts the people and will force them down different pathways to regain their rights & privacy.
Even to distribute apps outside Google Play you need to pay $25USD else theyâre served as limited distribution i.e. only up to 20 devices. Identification requires in both the cases of-course.
You distribute at PlayStore or not either way Google making good business.
Basically you are paying to âremain relevantâ on android âopenâ platform. 20 devices cap is nothing for popular foss apps at F-Droid.
Plus might I add they also gaslit their users into believing that they couldnât see their files despite the server not being E2EE at all. It still isnât by the way. Also letâs not forget how they (somehow) messed up where users started gaining access to other users private data
And also they constantly downplayed the importance of security (still do to this day) and also downplayed the importance of secure operating systems like GrapheneOS and DivestOS (when it was still around)
And they keep hiding behind these words âState of The Art"
They claim they have State of The Art Security not hardened security but the funny thing is
They donât really even have that? How can you call a Operating System that constantly lags behind on updates for both the system and its respective apps I mean one time they didnât update the webview for over a year or close to that⌠State of The Art?
Oh and some apps are unnecessarily privileged just like on stock.
Iâm rambling but what I am trying to say is I wouldnât trust this OS nor Itâs services nor itâs developers ever. They have proven time and time again that they honestly do not care about the safety of their users. You would be better off using just standard LineageOS microG or not
Oh and source is everything that I said is confirmable on their own forum.
Depends on how it is implemented in the first place.
If itâs implemented in a Privileged manner than these Alternative Operating Systems probably donât include whatever implementation that allows it to function to begin with.
And if itâs through an unprivileged app itself (which again on these Operating Systems it basically has to be) then the client side scanning would only be able to go as far as the permissions you give it as it would be strictly confined by the Sandbox and Permission Model already implemented in Android. Just another case of donât give access to apps you donât trust at that point.
Interesting prospect. So this is going to expand the problem and now it isnât just fighting against Developer Verification, but now itâs also the fight against Age Verification & the fight against Client-Side Scanning.
I really would like to know how the community would handle this problem, plus also thinking about how the Arceus AOS could develop and evolve to ensure maximum privacy and freedom.
When I reached out to BHIM, they said this is done as per foogle policies, and that foogle has advised to ensure such restrictions.
Foogle cannot win directly, cannot get things upfront, so taking the backdoor like this?
Ohh, and not just foogle, these app developers have no sense or logic. They just follow like those click Yes/Okay > click > click > clickâŚ
