Smells a bit too Big Brother to my taste,
@namark .. how so? Do you mean Murena is big brothery?
Murena are the phones used by E foundation.
IS there an official F-Droid action plan for this Google next-evil?
I saw their original announcement about Googleâs plan; but then nothing else from F-Droid itself about what they will do.
Well, they just posted a plan regarding UK & EU laws, and I donât necessarily like it because all those governments want to do is censor without preserving anything, plus violate our Privacy rights & our Freedoms.
Google is no different than the governments.
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Lots of vague buzzwords and marketing, no acknowledgement of free software, or commitment to software freedom, open source thrown around willy nilly, no clear distinction on whatâs open and whatâs not, the whole vibes is âweâre another better big bro, you can trust us instead, while we are small weâll say anything for you to put all of your eggs in our basket, but once we have enough eggs weâll start cracking themâ, even if they keep their commitment to privacy, thatâs not the only problem, I wouldnât be surprised if at some point they go âoh that other completely different way to exploit our users is actually totally fine yeahâ, happens all the time, but in the meantime itâs noobie friendly phones with a fork of LineageOS, less bloatware than most normal phones, rootable, bootloader unlockable, canât complain too much, and there is some warranty from what I understood helping with hardware issues that these small fish manufacturers often fall victim to.
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Yeah⌠And they work on Graphene bc they started a campaign to lobby Banks & Govâts.
Except 4 some Swiss & Italian DigitalID services, everything werks AFAIK.
b/c their Image is encrypted⌠Actually E2E-encrypted that is. Now why do you think google not only deactivates that, but makes it harder & harder 4 the end user to actually secure their phone?
Itâs the EU & the other tech companies putting immense pressure on google. You gotta remember⌠A Pixel w/ Graphene is the only phone which succesfully resists all LEO tools. I personally know a couple of drug & gun cases which went nowhere all thanks to Graphene. (And yes. That is a human rights issue! Wtf decided that the govât can bar me from such essential goods?)
More so you could root it, werks great with other phones, there will be phones w/ devoptions.
The problem is we need more openHW⌠A licenced ARM phun w/⌠A Mediatek Mali chip could work great.
But in all honesty, we can also use a x64 or better RISC5 based sys. All you really need is an eSIM w/ a 5G modem & lets sbhow long that is necessary.
Maybe, this the beginning of the end 4 AndroidâŚ
Least the Smartphone as we know it is over in a few years.
>HURR DURR if you buy their phone you support themâŚ
No you just buy a quality product which is unique when it offers More so just look @ all the troglodytes on plebbit⌠Maybe if more custom ROM ppl bought it, itâd remained the /dev/ phone.
Srsly can you guys READ the GrapheneOS site before talking the same FUD over & over again?
PS I suggest a couple of you guys should research
btw If you use Apps from F-Droid, gh/glâŚ
You will notice that most have already a libre/FOSS version & another one that is signed in the storeâŚ
Furthermore, I canât believe that nobody thinks about using generative AI to fake your credentialsâŚ
There is already groups doing that. Even when you donât have the access/know-how.
You should be able to buy digital IDs like you picked up CCs 10-15 years ago. Thatâs also a thingâŚ. I couldnât believe that so many of these boomers use paypal/stripe.
Censorship my ass⌠just send the money in cash, cash order or use crypto jeez.
Umfrage der Free Software Foundation Europe zum Digital -
DMA Interoperability Survey - FSFE
Free Software Foundation Europe survey on the Digital Markets Act
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Doesnât the Arceus AOS get around that issue by allowing access to FOSS applications while also maximizing Privacy by preventing government & corporate access to device information?
I cut me off from all google services since I learned this bad news and switched definitely to F-Droid instead. Considering to buy the incoming Hiroh phone with privacy-focused pre-installed /e/OS from Murena early next year (source code / documentation).
Please link to the source code
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Hey look someone did it for you. Yoink it. GitHub - sam1am/anyapk: Install any apk on the device you own.
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Precisely! Please add another, /e/OS/ to the list. Appears to me like children participating in pee-shoot competition, the shooter of longest one being the winner.
This is a ploy by the DpStt to break the unity of the FSF/FOSS ecosystem. How they plan to do it?: usually, foment a fight between small groups of ABC, DEF, GHI and other influential programmers/designers, fund a section, while sanctioning others, and the projects will do endless forks and divide themselves up even further. In between, forums (or Fora) would form, there will be a leader, while a few chanters would gather around him (or them) and chant and try to out-chant the rest. Then I as one of the members of the DpStt would have stopped funding this group and begin funding the other one and sanction the present.
The fight will continue. None of the FSF/FOSS members will be together for a greater cause for at least some time. In the relative lull I will have a few of my proprietary projects sold out by the time.
Example, Abbyy finereader has an extraorcinary user-friendly interface, but lacks the OCR tool for anything other than a limited Roman scripts. Tesseract does OCR for any kind of the scripts, but the GUI layout and control based on it is horrible.
Coming back, the entire issue has been multiple fights egged on by operators outside the arena who know about those hormone discharging balls. Dream-walkers walk around like zombies, program like LLM-GPT, driven mad like those elephants over-discharging musk, totally missing out the Big Picture, the larger objective, that is.
But who is to listen to a tiny minority like us? The discharge exhorts everyone to act mindlessly without a distant vision.
Then there are still some more who can exhort others to dream about an OS that isnât yet born, only imagined to be perfect, and people are easily genuflecting, paying obeisance, and chanting, âHail Histler âŻâ
Free space, freedom to post, etc., entice ⌠. Drown, has forever drowned, voices like mine. I have reasons to ponder if a TOEFL/TWE 94-98 percentile scorer would at all comprehend what is blurted out. But no, that is Modernese, and the ones who know most of these lingos are better than an Atanasoff, a Berry, an Einstein, a Bohr, a Schrodinger, a Heisenberg, a Dirac, etc.
Thanks, appears to be essential, but was it checked? If it has been, it could have already been in F-Droid repo.
P.S.: Users and participants should be aware that the circumstances unraveling/unfolding altogether are at a different level. Plus with internal bias, aptly defined in Bharat as Dasharipu (10 intrinsic biases/flaws), make the life of even the most apparently rational, sane, balanced ones very difficult.
I found it described in a Bharatiya article and on x.com, searching with the defining pic, but the inspiration could have been drawn from an article published elsewhere. Interested participants could find out more.
Why would fdroid be harmed if google dictates mandatory identitfy verification for developers?
If fdroid apps cannot be used on a stock rom who the f*ck gives a sh!t?
Stock rom is spyware, itâs utter trash without a doubt.
Installing a custom rom is honestly not THAT hard given how many detailed guides are out there.
As long as it will still be possible to unlock the bootloader and flash custom roms on modern android phones, who tf gives a . about all this drama.
I donât get it really, fdroid should focus on custom rom support and honestly not give a . about stock rom support at all.
LOS and AOSP are out there, isnât good enough, why care of fdroid running on stock?
Fuck Google
@Jaegerschutze
Example: my banking apps do not work if playstore or playservices are uninstalled/disabled. They do not work if my dev option or debugging is on. They do not work if accessibility is on. They do not work if I use heliboard or any other custom keyboard other than foogleboard.
You see the predicament of having to use OSS/FOSS/FLOSS?
I still use them, but everytime I need to use the nonsense banking app, I have to do so many things just to run it. Moreover many banks force apps and not sites to operate. This is the level of literacy in banking developers across the globe.
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As long as it will still be possible to unlock the bootloader and flash custom roms on modern android phones
Thatâs already an uphill battle and even undesireble for a mobile device that can be lost or stolen. It shouldnât be easy to unlock in general and should be possible to lock again, they just need to give you your keys, but thatâs not even on anybodies mind cause of how used everybody is to having no control whatsoever. Like the thing comes with a lock on it and instead of asking for the keys you are like âitâs ok, I have these massive bolt cutters at home, I can figure this outâ. Some people ask to remove the lock, nobody even tries to ask for keys, thatâs the clown world we are all content with right now.
Donât be content and donât support the status quo by buying the latest hip phone from a company that doesnât care, support companies that acknoweledge the problem and try to solve it, like offering an alternative OS that comes with the phone under a warranty (yeah, remeber that thing? what a silly idea, whoever keeps that thing valid for anything, am I right?).
Why would fdroid be harmed if google dictates mandatory identitfy verification for developers?
Itâs going to lose users and perhaps more importantly use cases, making it much harder to garner further support for the project. Today you can take any stock phone install F-Droid on it, and make it useful as a PDA without ever logging in to anything, suddenly all the spyware doesnât matter if you take care to not identify yourself. That will no longer be possible. Any potential sponsor big or small will have to ask themselves what does sponsoring the project achieve today, and with this new restriction in place F-Droid will be achieveing a lot less than before. I also believe that the project is more important for alternative degoogled systems, and can survive in that niche, but thatâs what itâll be doing, just surviving, and becoming entirely dependent on the success of these other hardware and software project.
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I understand what youâre saying.
Personally i refuse to use any banking app at all.
Iâm using a âcard-tan-deviceâ for money transfers, and visit the bank locally to check my balance.
It depends which bank youâre a customer from, some support login over website not only app.
Forcing people to rely on apps is disgusting to say the least.
From my knownledge there had been projects to run a phone virtually, like BlissOS.
Maybe fdroid and rob-braxman could get in touch, heâs is very educated with computers, phones and cybersecurity in general. It should not be necessary to own two phones, one for personal use with a private rom and another for the spy junk like banking garbage apps.
After all itâs just my opinion, fdroid should stay independent from google not backing down on identitfy verification demands from bigbrother. When it comes to FLOSS against compling with google, even if the situation is bad.. no way to comply with bigtech
Name a few examples of phone manufcaturing companies who give you the keys so they arenât crap as the rest?
Maybe fdroid should split in two versions then.
One purely focused on custom roms like graphene, lineage, aosp, and the other for stock rom from whoogle.
BlissOS
@Jaegerschutze â thanks for that one. It looks interesting.
(Iâm with you on the banking apps being only on Smartphones is crap front; but you can see where the PTB want that â as it forces people to have a smartphone, and therefore a sure spot to hold their coming Digital ID as well).
@fdroid (sic)
Soooooo âŚ. is anyone who is developing/managing f-droid on this thread?
There have been some good suggestions for f-droid; and I would hate it if the spy agencies were only ones to glean these ideas.
Still hoping/waiting for f-droidâs official roadmap for dealing with this.
Youâve read F-Droid and Google's Developer Registration Decree | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
And yesterdayâs What We Talk About When We Talk About Sideloading | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
And the call to action: https://keepandroidopen.org/ ?
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